[Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES

Fri Nov 9 14:24:05 EST 2012

Unless of course, Pres Obama decides to issue an executive order doing away
with our Constitution.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Todd Weiss
<todd at sunshineconsultingltd.com>wrote:

> That would require a constitutional amendment which requires 2/3 vote in
> senate and house and must be ratified by 3/4 of the states which will never
> happen.
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> On Nov 8, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Scott Bloom wrote:
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>  Can we first abolish the Electoral College?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: fredslist-bounces at gothamnetworking.com <
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> To: Michael Steger <msteger at steger-law.com>
> CC: 'Alexander Suslensky' <alex at suslaw.com>; fredslist <
> fredslist at gothamnetworking.com>
> Sent: Thu Nov 08 10:14:13 2012
> Subject: Re: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for this up-close, personal and disturbing account of Truth in
> Voting. Isn't this travesty worthy of the Supreme Court? Once Obama puts
> another judge or two on the court? It is a patent violation of a sacred
> American citizen's right and voter manipulation that rivals gerrymandering
> in another guise.
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> From: Michael Steger <msteger at steger-law.com>
> To: 'Alexander Suslensky' <alex at suslaw.com>; "'Raj Goel, CISSP'" <
> raj at brainlink.com>; fredslist at gothamnetworking.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
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>
> I agree with Alex.  I spent yesterday in Philadelphia trying to ensure
> that all eligible voters could vote and that no one who was eligible (and
> registered) was turned away, especially in light of the current state of
> the somewhat-suspended new Pennsylvania voter ID law.  What I observed, in
> a ward that overwhelmingly voted for one party and where all of the
> election officials and poll watchers were from that same party, was
> significant voter confusion, a lack knowledge of what the current law
> required among the election officials and poll workers, and substantial
> frustration among voters, many of whom were forced to cast provisional
> ballots (which may or may not be counted).  A number of citizens only cast
> provisional ballots after I informed them of their right to do so or asked
> election officials to provide them with one, this even though the election
> officials are supposed to offer provisional ballots under multiple
> circumstances – all of this where the election officials were supplied by
> the party whom 90% of the voters were supporting.  I can only imagine how
> much voter disenfranchisement there will be at the next Pennsylvania
> election, when the voter ID law is fully enforced and there may be
> organized efforts to challenge voters.
>
> I cannot fathom any legitimate reason why this country makes it harder to
> vote than to buy a gun.  We should focus on ways to bring more citizens
> into the voting booth (vote by mail, weekend/early voting, etc.) rather
> than keeping them out by forcing them to show ID, stand in line for hours
> on a workday, having too few polling places/voting machines, etc.
>
> Mike Steger
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> From: Alexander Suslensky [mailto:alex at suslaw.com <alex at suslaw.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:49 AM
> To: Raj Goel, CISSP; fredslist at gothamnetworking.com
> Subject: RE: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
>
> Raj,
>
> The last time I checked, we had a volunteer military.  So, I don’t
> understand your analogy.  I have the privilege of knowing many young and
> not-so-young men and women serving in our military and all of them
> volunteer to risk their lives because they love our country.
>
> We shouldn’t have to suffer to experience voting in a “communal”
> atmosphere.  If you want to experience the “communal” feelings of politics,
> go to a campaign rally.  The goal for elections should be to maximize voter
> participation.  Making voting more convenient, secure and efficient
> improves democracy.
>
> Alex
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> Alexander Suslensky
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> From: Raj Goel, CISSP [mailto:raj at brainlink.com <raj at brainlink.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:37 PM
> To: Alexander Suslensky; fredslist at gothamnetworking.com
> Subject: RE: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
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> I disagree with voting from our arm chairs.
>
> There's a communal aspect to voting, a social aspect and quite frankly, if
> we ask or demand that YOUNG MEN & WOMEN FIGHT AND DIE OVERSEAS, than the
> least we can do, is get off our rears and vote in public.
>
> Besides, we've already seen what voting from our arm chairs brings.
>
> It's called Reality TV, Survivor and internet flame wars.
>
> -- Raj
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> Raj at brainlink.com
> Alexander Suslensky <alex at suslaw.com> wrote:
> At the risk of making some part of government actually efficient and
> user-friendly, why can’t we just vote on the internet from the comfort of
> our homes or offices?  If I can press a button at my office and wire
> transfer millions of dollars, why can’t I vote the same way?  For those not
> fortunate enough to own a computer, polling stations could still exist with
> computers and – just guessing here – no lines!
>
>
> Alexander Suslensky
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> From: Howard Lipset [mailto:lipset at progressivemanage.com<lipset at progressivemanage.com>
> ]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:58 AM
> To: Susan Zinder
> Cc: fredslist at gothamnetworking.com
> Subject: Re: [Fredslist] ODE TO OUR MISSING VOTING MACHINES
>
> I had this conversation this morning when I was on line waiting to sign
> the register.
> The problem at my voting place in Port Washington was they had no power,
> and their generators had to restart.
> I was number 82 in my AD to vote but I was the first that the scanner
> actually worked for.
> I was having mental difficulties about whether I actually wanted to drop
> it in a sealed box for them to scan later.
> Further, my ballot had a number on it that corresponded to a number in the
> book that I signed.
> Someone could actually work out not only who I voted for, but who  I am.
> So much for secret ballots
> I really prefer the old levers.
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Susan Zinder <sfzinder at aol.com> wrote:
> Gotham – I voted – have you?????
>
> So... This morning at 9:00 am I went and stood on one line to get inside
> the polling place, another to get to the election district and a third to
> scan in my ballot -- -  Took a half hour and was more chaotic than I had
> ever seen it (2 of the 4 ballot scanners for over 10 election districts
> were broken)
>
> I know I'm generally thought of as "liberal"  but when it comes to the
> subject of voting machines - - I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative, I'm
> downright reactionary!!!
>
> I MISS THE VOTING MACHINES!!!!!!  You went in to the polling place, the
> line at the election district was shorter - there were 2 machines dedicated
> to the district -(not 4 scanners for 20 districts) - - Signed in at the
> election district (noticed that my original signature was legible and 25
> years into legal practice my signature has just become illegible - -oiy I'm
> getting old!)
>
> Oh - - look – that dad just took his son into the booth with him.
>
> Then.... You walked into the voting booth - and booth it was not a table
> with metal on the sides to keep you from cheating on the exam, where
> there's no room to bring your child once their out of the sling or baby
> bjorn.  Heavy plastic curtains (oiy - they needed to be cleaned, but that
> only meant that they had seen a lot of voting over the years) You weren't
> filling in an SAT, PSAT or LSAT form - but you went into a booth with the
> candidates identified in front of you and next to levers, levers and more
> levers.
>
> You took the big lever and pulled it to the right - - grrrrr - - it said
> I"m now ready to accept your vote - - and you voted - - - you didn't fill
> in blank ovals, you didn't press out chads - - you pressed the levers down
> - - physical, click was the sound - then you looked - did I press the
> correct levers?   Did I do it right - - wait, let me read that proposal,
> wait - I know I end up voting down a party line but that guy is on both
> party lines, for him I'll be bipartisan (unpress one lever, press the other)
>
> Then check again - - did I do it right?  Hmmm.
>
> Oh, remember when I went into the voting booth with mom?  Fun mother  -
> daughter time.... OK, I'm taking too long here, want to leave time for my
> neighbors....
>
> Time to pull the lever at the bottom from the right to the left.  Such a
> big lever -  so satisfying!  And the sound - it tells me - YOU HAVE VOTED
> CITIZEN ZINDER!!!! YEA FOR YOU!!!
>
> Now… no sound, no acknowledgement, no receipt (at least when I scan my
> check in at the atm, they give me a picture of it) - - not really sure I
> should trust the guy who coded the scanner.
>
> But… I still voted, and hope for the best for the country. So…. No more
> YEAs for me - -  It should only be yea for the country!!!
>
> Susan
>
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